Ramblings' Journal

Wow, that cartoon is pretty disgusting.
And I'm a liberal.

I'm no fan of Dr. Rice, but there are ways of disagreeing without being so despicable...

That's the least offensive of his crazy left wing smut, how about a cartoon of Republicans taunting dead US soldiers?

www.nytimages.com

The cartoon has been removed from Danzerig's own website. Also, as reported by the wonderous Michelle Malkin, the New York Times Syndicate archive has replaced the cartoon with a picture of some guy:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000666.htm

How bizarre.

By removing the offensive piece of crap, Danziger has proven himself an evolutionary step above his fellow slime-merchant Ted Rall.

Not that it's hard to be a step above pond scum, of course.

Thank you for exposing these people. It has been along time coming and the fight has just begun.

Hello, Gone With the Wind, people? Prissy? Miss Scarlett? Ring any bells? I agree it's in bad taste, but it's not like he just made that up --

the script (search for "lawdsy")

Yer kiddin, right, bb? "Gone With the Wind" was historical fiction, written nearly 80 years ago about times nearly 80 years before that. Mr. Danzerig would no doubt complain that even thus, the style and language are insulting to blacks today - so why give him a free pass to stoop to that level himself?

Or put another way - if this were a Mallard Fillmore strip about Shirley Jackson Lee, would you be so tender and understanding?

Funny,

I think such black radicals as Spike Lee and Danny Glover would actually approve of the cartoon. I'm a hardcore liberal and am somewhat bothered by it.

But, in the end, I think it's rather funny. In presenting his comic using a racial stereotype, he confronts the conservatives who want us to think they aren't racist loons.

The fact remains. Those in the Ku Klux Klan are racist. You're not going to see someone in the klan vote for Kerry. It just doesn't happen. I don't think it's hard to imagine Bush letting the word "nigger" fly in his less serious days as a partier at Yale.

"Yo, Chuck...what's your sister doin' dating that nigger?" I can hear it now.

And, to be fair, I'm sure Kerry even let it fly once or twice.

Re: post by Mike M.
What a load of predjudice! Those in the Ku Klux Klan are definitely racist. But the implication is that those who oppose Mike M.'s views are really racists, too, just as bad as the KKK. And he thinks GWB is a racist, too. So he condemns Bush for saying something Mike M. invented in his own mind. Of course, to be "fair and balanced", he throws in an off-hand "I'm sure Kerry even let it fly once or twice." Why do the liberals have such a blind spot to their own bigotry?

You certainly do have a very vivid imagination to be able to imagine so many hateful things about Republicans.

I think we see here at long last the real difference between Republicans and Democrats:

Democrats "imagine" of Republicans the very qualities which are demonstrably true about themselves.

It must be easy to live in a world where all your enemies are "racist loons" and any action you might care to take against them is justified by that self-evident [imagined] "fact".

No conscience, no perspective, no doubts, no questioning, no voice of reason, no further reflection need burden you; as Malcolm X might've put it you must defeat the "racist loons" by any means necessary.

How inspired you must feel when you burn a swastika into your Republican neighbors' yard. Nothing annoys "racist loons" worse than being outed by Nazi lawn ornaments. What a bold artistic statement!

How proud you must feel to see a hastily forged lie taken as truth, even if only for a little while, as its author speaks truth to power in the most cleverly subversive way imaginable: by making stuff up.

How empowering it must be to break into Republican headquarters and rough up all those old folks stuffing the envelopes. They're old enough to have beaten Medger Evers, so they probably did, and now YOU are evening the score! FIGHT THE POWER!

Beat us, lie about us, vilify us, draw racist caricatures of us, pat yourselves on the back for it, then remind yourselves with quasi-religious certitude that your Republican enemies are "racist loons" who (you imagine) deserve worse. You Democrats are a real class act: all that imagination and not a hint of irony.

I found you through Michelle Malkin's blog and I wanted to see the cartoon. Clearly it crosses a line, but I'd like to point out, in Danziger's defense the cartoon is a reference to "Gone With The Wind" and the character of Prissy, who first declares that she "knows all 'bout birthin'," until the baby arrives and changes here tune, "Ah doan know nuthin' 'bout bringin' babies."

Whether or not a reference to a racial stereotype in a film is fair game or not, I'm simply not sure. The cartoon still crosses a line, but it's rather finer than is obvious without understanding Danziger's reference. It's also entirely unclear how many people got the reference in the first place. Assuming that less did than I would have expected, the cartoon is left only to appear racist, and certainly reveals the difficulty of making literary references.

Pat Buchanan recently compared a neoconservative Jew (Richard Perle I believe) to Fagin from "Oliver Twist," and many liberals rightly cried out that Buchanan was making an intentionally antisemitic remark. The same standard almost certainly applies here.

When all the political rhetoric fails as it did this year, leftists, filled with hate and bankrupt of any constructive ideas, are reduced to the level of racists, one of their chief but false charges they hurl at conservatives.

They claim they want the ideals of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech, but gnash their teeth at anyone or anything which is truly evidences that King's dream is ever so slowly coming to pass. I pity them.

Does anyone know if this cruel cartoon actually made it to any newspapers?

Kudos to "Imaginary Enemy"! You have stated it very well my friend.

It's the height of liberal hypocrisy that the Democrats feel they have the standing to preach to Republicans about racial hate when they have a former Klan leader of the state of W.VA as a "highly respected" leader of their caucus in the Senate.

Luckily, more and more black people are waking up to the fact that the liberal nanny state has done nothing but foster sociological disease within their community in form of three or four generations of fatherless children who lack hope, direction, motivation, and a morale compass.

When you have mainstream black performers like Bill Cosby finally coming out and saying what Dem Sen Daniel P Moynihan was roasted for back in the early 70s, you know the jig is just about up.

So keep up with your vile crap about Republicans, Mike M., your "message" is finding fewer and fewer welcoming ears.

hi!

found this through media matters...

what's interesting is that both sides play the race card, and each side blames the other for playing the race card.

the REALLY interesting thing is that both sides believe it, and categorize the other party as racist, or homophobic, etc.

Imaginary Enemy's post was really funny, but pretty sad, because it seems they believe this stuff. After he chided Mike M. for imagining bad stuff about republicans, he imagines bad stuff about democrats;
"No conscience, no perspective, no doubts, no questioning, no voice of reason, no further reflection need burden you; as Malcolm X might've put it you must defeat the "racist loons" by any means necessary."

Interesting that one side is allowed to imagine and one isn't. One side is not allowed to put quotes in Bush's head '...doing dating that ni__er' but the other side is allowed to put words in Malcolm X's mouth (and gets kudos for it).

I would also like to point out that this cartoon was made by one person, and not the DNC. It's hypocritical of an "inclusive and fair" republican to label all democrats as racists themselves.

I believe THAT'S what's called irony or something. It's a word you guys might want to look up and get right, and apply it to the situation here, instead of getting in a hissy fit and calling everyone a liar and racist.

One last thing, IE wrote this line;
"How proud you must feel to see a hastily forged lie taken as truth, even if only for a little while, as its author speaks truth to power in the most cleverly subversive way imaginable: by making stuff up."

And I'll direct it back to IE, how proud must you feel to see a hastily forged reason for war be totally blown apart at the cost of 1,200 of our soldiers, because the president apparently 'made stuff up.'

That's some more irony for you. It's delicious stuff.

what's that line about people in glass houses...?

thanks all

ha ha michelle malkin, ha ha !!!!! good to see that at least one contribution, joshua's is , like, LITERATE!!!! you know, like educated and informed and knowledgable about the content and context... as far as LIES DECEIT FRAUD and DENIAL goes, well you see.... that's all about content and context too... ha ha ha michelle malkin, ha ha ha

You whiners are making like it's not OK to satire someone because they're black. These cartoonists make fun of people all the time, and yes, sometimes they are nasty. But do you really think Condi is the most qualified person for the job? She'd be just as bad a choice as a white person with her qualifications. Racists make distinctions because of color. It seems to me that's what you're doing - expecting different treatment because of her racial background. Get over it!

We liberals don't think that Republicans are racists. We think that racists are Republicans.

As to the validity of the racism charge about this cartoon, it's difficult not to think that it either comes from a racist mind, or it comes from a mind completely unaware that racism exists. I think it crosses the line because it is insensitive. It is not necessarily racist but it can be perceived as racist, and a cartoonist should avoid that trap.

Condi's shortcomings have nothing to do with the fact that she is black. I think to call racist anyone who properly points out that her appointment as Secretary of State is like a joke that isn't funny is racist in its own right. It's racist because it places the fact of the color of her skin as the dividing line between people we can criticize and people we can't. It's tantamount to telling a friend who just spilled something in your floor, "It's okay because I know you're just a goofy clumsy bastard."

First republicans were finding communists at every street-corner(and under every bed), and now they're being forced to associate with "racists" - will their victimhood ever end? I'm waiting to hear the thunderous outcry from all you suddenly-sensitive republicans about Rush Limbaugh calling Jesse Jackson a "chocolate chip" - or about Ann Coulters' remarks about muslim men.

Consistency? You never had it.

Boy, Mike M.'s ignorance is astounding, I quote:

"The fact remains. Those in the Ku Klux Klan are racist. You're not going to see someone in the klan vote for Kerry."

Wrong.
Q: who is the only current member of the
U.S. Senate known to have been a member of the
KKK? Senator Robert Byrd, W.Va., DEMOCRAT. I can
probably say with some certainty that Senator "Sheets" Byrd voted for Kerry.

Go back to school, Mike.
Q: who freed the slaves? Abraham Lincoln, REPUBLICAN.

Q: which party had a higher percentage of
congress members voting
FOR the civil rights act? REPUBLICANS.

Q: which recent V.P.'s father voted AGAINST the
civil rights act? Senator Albert Gore, Sr.,
DEMOCRAT.

'Nuff said....

'That's the least offensive of his crazy left wing smut, how about a cartoon of Republicans taunting dead US soldiers?'

Actually, you need to look at the cartoon again.

It's not Republicans taunting dead soldiers, it's Republicans spending time laughing about Kerry's windsurfing when the death toll of the soldiers dying in Iraq is on the climb.

Danziger is an excellent cartoonist who doesn't pull his punches. I think what's really bothering everyone is that he's managed to point out Condi's both a liar and an incompetant in one fell swoop.

She has as much business being Secretary of State as Alberto Gonzalez has of being Attorney General.

Both of them should be behind bars with the rest of the ragingly criminal Bush Administration.

Of course you would never see this kind of cartoon aimed at a african american democrat. If you are a minority that is a republican you do not get the same equalities that democrats stand for. This only applies to the minorities that are democrats! Wow, its so clear now! This crap is just unbelievable to me. People keep saying that Danziger is not making fun of her because she is black, but because he doesn't agree with her? Ha, all you have to do is read the cartoon. It certainly makes fun of her because she is black!

To: Jack Frost at November 19, 2004 07:15 PM

In that AH statement you must be a big fan of michael moore ? and believe every thing in that comic movie, right ?

Re: Posts by Mike M.

You betcha, Mike! Even the "First Black President", Bill Clinton, didn't have a black Secretary of State. Much less two of them, one a woman. He probably thought black people were maybe smart enough to vote for him, but certainly not smart enough to be put in a position of real power. And he wasn't crazy enough to nominate one as Secretary of State, no matter how well educated or qualified. No, he just showed up at black churches around election time to hustle their votes. And feel their pain, of course. Those cartoons were real funny, though, weren't they? With the big lips and ebonic jabber? That old Democrat Klucker Robert Byrd was surely slapping his knee over them.

Well, we see that the "democrat massas" have kept the likes of Julian, Kwiese, Al and Jesse quiet.

'In that AH statement you must be a big fan of michael moore ?'

Yeah, I like a lot of what Mike does, but not everything. I agree with him on many things, but he's also way out in left field on others (like his support of Wesley Clarke, for example). I also didn't think much of 'Canadian Bacon' and some stunts on TV Nation and Awful Truth were kinda lame. But by and large I think he makes incredible documentaries that both entertaining and informative.

But, the best part about liking Mike, though, has to be how his detractors rarely ever make a stronger argument than he's a liar - with no data to back up the claim (a blanket assertion is not proof, by the by) - and then take pot-shots at his weight problem. Boy, that sure does make for an intellectually sound argument, let me tell you! This guy must be a liar - he's FAT!

Can I ask something: Why, in the wake of Farenheit 9/11, were there 5 low-budget 'documentaries' aimed at discrediting and slandering Mike and not a single one that actually refutes with strong evidence the facts presented in the film?

C'mon conservatives/Republicans let's get on the ball and actually make a believable argument against Mike. Because you can call him a fat liar til you're blue in the face, but again - blanket assertions are not proof.

'and believe every thing in that comic movie, right ?'

Did you mean 'American Splendor'?

Well sure, who'd lie about living like that? So I guess I 'believe' it, in a sense...

Oh, wait, you were talking about Spider-Man 2, right?

It's about time that the kid gloves come off. As tasteless, or whatever you may think about the cartoon, as it is, at least it points out that Ms. Rice is not only duplicitous (that kinda means "liar" to you people who are having some serious problems with the English language. You should really proofread before you post), she is also one of the worst national security advisors in American history. On her watch, not only was intelligence that Al-Qaeda was about to attack the US not acted on, but horribly flawed, if not downright fabricated (made up), "intelligence" led this country into one of the most illegal and immoral acts since the last time we invaded Iraq under false pretenses. Factor in her seriously suspect testimony (after trying to weasel out of it in a most dishonorable fashion) in front of the 9/11 committee, and that's three strikes. Competence and honor do not seem to be values this "values" President values. This entire administration has had a free pass from both the press and the people. They are supposed to be working for us. History will have its say, only judging by the state of American history education, we'll have to find the truth elsewhere.

RE: Can I ask something: Why, in the wake of Farenheit 9/11, were there 5 low-budget 'documentaries' aimed at discrediting and slandering Mike and not a single one that actually refutes with strong evidence the facts presented in the film?

Well, JackFrost, it seems that you didn't bother to actually WATCH any of the 5 documentaries you're criticizing -- For example, FahrenHYPE 9/11 and Celsius 41.11 BOTH provide evidence that contradicts the misleading Moore shlockumentary. Moore is a partisan hack, and he doesn't even care that everyone knows it.

What was it LBJ said after signing the Civil Rights Act?

"Now those ni**ers will vote Democrat for 100 years"

Nice to know that Democrats are still racist.

nice attempt, D1911, but nothing similar was actually ever said by LBJ.

wow ... i never knew republicans were so sensitive towards race. Where were you guys when the black vote was disenfranchised in 2000 and again in 2004? outraged? Where are you guys on the racist implementation of the death penalty? Disgusted? Racial profiling? Police brutality at a rate of 3:1 against people of color? These things don't seem as offensive to you as a stupid cartoon mocking one of your token examples of why you're not a racist ignoramus. The point is that Dr. Rice is a professional liar and uses her "intelligence" to obfuscate the truth and keep the administration essentially a secret society.

The really disgusting thing is LYING about the reasons for a war that has killed more than 1200 of our men and 100,000 Iraqis.
Everything else is tangental.

Are the comments within the comic undersireable, sure. As a liberal, I can say that I don't agree with how he said his message. There are many other ways to have articulated it without stooping to such a low state. However it is free speech. How long before we're all trying to be so PC that we can't speak our minds?

For instance, calling Kerry a flip-flopper seemed to be ok to the general public, even given that the facts didn't exactly support that, but calling Bush an idiot because he has problems stringing together coherent thoughts is considered anti-american. Pasting dumb little purple hearts on oneself at the Republican Convention wasn't making fun of a war hero, it was just a fruitless attempt to garner cheap laughs amoungst those that never could go to war themselves.

This kind of stuff is going to happen, its going to continue to happen, just like the syndicated columnist in Creators can state something like this: "Breaking down the sexual barriers between the races is a major weapon of cultural destruction because it means the dissolution of the cultural boundaries that define breeding and the family and, ultimately, the transmission and survival of the culture itself." and not be called down by the suddenly compassionate right, I have to wonder if its just a surface layer vision, while under the surface lurks the true separationist, racist bastard that makes up a fair chunk of the Republican Party.

Well... I don't know about the milking cartoon, but the guy who wrote about the cartoon "KERRY-WINDSURFING-CAMPAIGN-ADS-WAR-CAI-092404" showing "taunting" Republicans (according to "Zenigma") is a shining example of a Republican: he's completely missed the boat ('scuse the pun - see cartoon). Sorry, try again!

OK, I can see how this one can be considered racist... but I've seen Gone With The Wind at least 20 times (my great aunt loved this movie and watched it every week, I'd visit her 1-2 times a year) and what Danziger did here was to put Condi in the role of Prissie, who in the film says "I knows all about about birthing babies" and then when she is confronted by a women about to give birth says "I knows nothing about birthing babies."

To the culturally illiterate, or at least Gw/tW illiterate, it wouldn't make any sense so it could be concluded as racist. but knowing the movie and the caption at the top of the cartoon says "Role of a lifetime" thus placing rice in the acting role of Prissie in a new release of "Gone with the WMD" makes it just in bad taste, and not all that funny.

Re: Posts by Mike M.

You betcha, Mike! Even the "First Black President", Bill Clinton, didn't have a black Secretary of State. Much less two of them, one a woman.

Condi and Colon were officially Drafted onto the "White" side a while back, The Chapelle show had exclusive footage of the precedings.

freak

Am I the only one who reads a cartoon and just laughed about it instead of analyzing it and trying to worry about who it offends?... No offence, but the say I'll be saying policeMAN, and fireMAN until I die... at a happy old age. People need to RELAX.
In a glorious fantasy, everybody is perfect... but this is the real world, and thank god were not all the same, that were all different, so that we can make cartoons like these which are really funny and not meant to be analyzed...