Ramblings' Journal

Strange, but it seems that Scared Monkeys is offline...how come?

Sorry about that. We experienced some tech difficulties. They just had to go and switch the server when God knows how many people were on at the height of the traffic. Ahh.

Thanks for the link. Should be back. I hope.

Where were all these chaperons while this girl was out etc?

I am so angry at Arubian officials for how they have treated this case about Natalie. I feel so sorry for her family and friends. How unfortunate it was to have the 3 boys who saw her last, let them go......to get their story together and then lock them back up. This is so unheard of in the USA. I think all American's should "BOYCOTT" travel to Aruba.

So you are willing to punish a whole island for the mistakes of aruban officials. What can they do if their laws are different from yours. And the FBi is there too, if this case was easy to solve, it would have been solved already, dont you think.

Something weird is going on down there and the government has something to do with it. They should have handled this case in a different way and she maybe they would have found here by now. I feel so bad that her parents don't know anything about where she is.

This is the first I've heard of this... "Natalie Holloway's body found"... from Team Amber Alert
"This is a sad and cruel situation in Aruba as this develops real review of how this was covered and why reports were not fully verified. TAA can confirm that a crime scene was located and that the official government release is that Natalee is deceased". Very sad if true : www.teamamberalert.net/news/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8422

i think that aruban officals should not have waited for the americans to come down there. they should search themselves. personally i would go down there myself and search for her and i didnt even know her!

I think Holloway incidence is going to help Aruba. Any publicity, including bad is good. Lots of people did not know Aruba as well as they know now.

Secondly, the whole incidence is not something that can scare away people. Actually by USA standard, Aruba authority are more considerate and law abiding. While Holloway, even considering their grief, that every one can be considerate off, has been unreasonable and do not seem to care about evidence and punish suspect.

It is very likely to backfire for Holloways. Those who controbuted will say they enjoyed limelight and Aruba at their expense.

I sincerely wish they find Natally. My strong suscpicion is that she may have been kidnapped for prostitution or by some sick person. It is very hard to believe that Joran can hide body so well in a little time that so much search cannot locate.

RAJ PATEL
www.chicagoman.com

Re: Natalie,
When Paul VanderSloot was questioned, why did he say there was "no case without a body". Why did he presume there was a body unless he knew otherwise?
Natalie's mother said there was information that linked the 3 boys with violence in this case with Natalie. She learned this through her attorney but cannot disclose until after case is over.
Thanks

I had heard that they had a psychic go down there. Does anyone know who? Is this person credible, and have they come up with anything?

7/12 heard a rumor that Juorn (sp?) broke down & cried saying he buried Natalie. If so, why the hell hasn't he revealed where, why & how. The parents of Natalie deserve the TRUTH NOW!

i believe the party invovlved in Natalies disappearance will rat each other out, as they say "there is no honor among thieves"

They have turned her into a crackhead by now.

How innocent was Natalie? Why did she get in the car with three strangers? What's up with that?

i Just hope that her family never gives up...sooner or later the truth will come out..I sure hope its soon. I just want you to know that Natalie is in my prayers and i Hope you find her really soon.

My heart goes out to the parents of Natalie and especially to her wherever she may be. Sometimes we make stupid mistakes and don't think of the consequences that may bring us but I don't think that anybody deserves to get lost or disappeared with no trace or nowhere to be found. My prayers go out to all of them and hope that they may come to an end to this situation.

I hope that there is closure and they find out what really happen. justice should be served. I feel for the family and my heart goes out. I know my family would do the same. I hope and pray there is a happy end to this situation.

I have a feeling that Natalie's body will be discovered soon. I think that she is on the opposite side of the island in the cave's. I think she was murdered elsewhere and than transported there. I think that all three of the suspects were involved and the father as well. I think that she was raped and killed by a blow to the head with a blunt object. I pray for her family, may god give them strength and will.

I honestly feel for the family, I know how my family and I would be if this was happening to us.I only wish they would find something one way or another.I have been following this story from the beginning but it get harder to find any info on what is happening.

It's my opinion we'll find that the reason behind her(Natalie Holloway)disappearance to be money and slavery. Apparently, there's a history of this type of thing in Aruba from what I've been reading. Since the place is a island, the odds of government officials being involved would be higher, I think, due to the fact everyone knows everyone there. Which would also explain why people are afraid to come forward. They, themselves, are aware of the corruption and don't want to have themselves marked as a target.

She is either sold into slavery or murdered, but by someone with more smarts than the boys.

IF ARUBA HAS SEPTIC TACKS,THEY SHOULD BE CHECK.
I REALLY FEEL FOR THE FAMILY I PRAY SO MUCH FOR
HER SAFETY RETURN.

natalee holloway is now a slave of either a porno ring operating out of venezuala or brazil, or a white slaver getting saudi princes what they want(young blonde virgins for their haraam,s. by now she is hooked on heroin or some other drug. she was kidnapped by the three boys in aruba and the van sloot father is the connection between the slavers and the porno gangs. also, she would bring a very large price in saudi arabia.IF SHE WERE SUCH A GOOD CHRISTIAN GIRL, WHY WAS SHE DRINKING? AND WHY HAVEN,T THE CHAPARONES BEEN QUESTIONED TO THE PUBLICS KNOWLEDGE? IS THIS AN ELABORATE HOAX FABRICATED BY THE PARENTS OR MAYBE NATALEE HERSELF? SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.

Solve this so that American white women can travel without being subject to abduction and worse. White slavery, rape and murder must be stopped. It is older than black slavery and has gone on far too long!

Ibelieve that Natalee died of an accidental overdose, Juran & the Kalpoes then called their dealer (& his father- who likelely avised them to send the text messages to create the false pretense that they were home by then: 3am) On the dirt road by the raquet cluband the pond, they ditched her body(and Joran lost his shoe). The dealer (who threatened them& their families lives if he was ever implicated) then waited a few dys before disposin of Natalee in the landfll wrapped in a trashbag, and hiding her under a discarded kiddy-pool.
She's there in the land fill under 2 months of rotting trash_ i pray that they that they find whats left of her, so her family can have a place to visit and leave flowers for her.. tho' those "kestone cops" botched this so badly i doubt they'll ever have true "answers"- but at least they may have closure. I hope.

IF PAUL DOES NOT LET IN THE PEOPLE FROM TEXAS THAT IS REAL BAD FOR HIM EVERYDAY THAT GOES BY HE IS MORE GUILTY OF THIS CRIME. PLEASE SEARCH IN THEIR SEPTIC TANK. MANY YEARS AGO SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN AND YEARS AFTER THEY FOUND THE SKELETON. THIS WAS A FAST WAY TO GET RID OF THE BODY IN A SHORT TIME IF JURAN WENT TO SCHOLL THE NEXT MORNING. I AM A STRONG BELIEVER IN GOD.I KNOW THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR THIS GIRL AND HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS. MAY THE LORD BLESS ALL THE VOLUNTEER.

Fox News has spent 98% of it's time reporting 'live' from Aruba since Natalie Holloway disappeared. Whilst it's terribly sad that this young woman is missing. I seriously DOUBT she was kidnapped.. wasn't she seen getting into the car with these three young men? I remember hearing that in the first few days.. no one said they saw her being dragged into a car kicking and screaming.. Natalies mother has continually grasped at straws.. first she's missing, then kidnapped, sold for slavery etc etc.. She told the news and everyone else that these boys killed her daughter.. then she says she believes Natalie is alive and was sold as a slave? I know she's just trying to get Natalie back,. but let the police and the FBI (who are involved now) do their jobs! Her family is constantly on TV saying how they just know that the Van Der Sloot father & the Kalpoe brothers are guilty and should be in jail. What if.. just what if.. they are not guilty? and that Joran alone.. or not even Joran.. what if none of them had anything to do with Natalie disappearing?? IF they didn't have anything to do with it.. this Twitty family and the media, namely Greta from Fox News have absolutely ruined their lives.. they will never be able to have any sort of life again.. and before you say, what about Natalie.. I said... if they didn't have anything to do with her disappearing.

I believe had the Twitty family not been right up into everything from the beginning, perhaps the police could have done their jobs unhindered!

The way the Twitty family showed up at the Van der Sloot home with .. as Jug Twitty said.. 'some of my friends' was nothing less than a mob.. There was about 25 or so of them(Jug Twitty admitted this on Fox News) not counting the police.. The Twitty family have made out to the public via Fox News that that night the father just told Joran not to cooperate at all.. That is not the truth.. Jug Twitty and his mob showed up 48 hours after Natalie disappeared and things were apparently getting heated.. at that time the Vandersloot father told his son NOT to talk to anyone except the police. Something ANY father would have done to protect his son from a mob of 25 men from Alabama.

Then Beth Holloway and Greta Van Susteren actually go to the Van der sloot home live with cameras?? hanging over the gate yelling for someone to come out.. and then Beth Holloway giving them prayer bracelets.. Beth Holloway states that the father was sweating during the interview that they did from inside the Van Der Sloot home.. of course he was... his son is in jail being held in connection with Natalies disappearance, your guys are taunting him and his wife with cameras.. coming, uninvited to their home.. and accusing him and his family of all sorts of things.. I'd sweat too, even if I were innocent.. thats alot of pressure to be under! guilty or not!.

Fox News is now using Mark Fuhrman as a commentary on this case? hello ? what credibility does this guy have? isn't he the one that botched the OJ Simpson case? like we should believe anything he has to say... yeah.. ok

I'm tired of seeing Jug & Beth Twitty on tv.. I do wish they find her.. and alive.. and I pray none of these people had anything to do with her disappearing/leaving/being kidnapped or what ever has happened to her.. if she is found alive.. I hope the Twitty family and Fox News are sued for everything they have by the Van Der Sloot, the Kalpoes and the Aruban government.

Let the police to their job..

Hmm... So if the boys are not guilty of anything, why two of them are reluctant to give DNA samples.
I say folks it time to go for vacation somewhere else, but Aruba. I am not particularly fond of Cuba, but I think they would solved this one by now.

Enough already. Whatever has happened, it's a tragedy. But this new coverage is getting out of hand. If this weren't some cute I have a feeling this would have went away after one day.
C

Natalie Holloway is now the second story as Greta has turned her attention and cameras on Mrs. Twitty, who adores the pubilicity and wants to punish everyone. It's past time for Mrs. Twitty to return to Alabama and give her love and respect for Natalie through a proper memorial service.

It's long past time for Mrs. Hollowy to get out of the televison lime light. She leaves the impression she is working to get a job in television.
Peace!

I absolutely agree with you Rice, Beth Twitty does appear to be trawling for a job on Fox News.. or on tv in general..

As for why the boys won't give DNA samples.. Why would you want to give a police department that has NO evidence, DNA ? They have no reason at this point to need it.. If it were me, I wouldn't give them my DNA so they could use it against me to make up evidence. Now,.. if they had something they needed to compare it to, to rule me out as a suspect.. I would gladly give the sample. It's common sense..

I have nothing against Aruba.. but from what I know, there is no American embassy on the island.. why would you go to any country on vacation that doesn't have an embassy for your country?? Again, common sense.. It is NOT the Aruban countries fault what if anything has happened to Natalee. This is an isolated incident.

For those of you yelling and saying people should boycott Aruba.. What about those tourists that come to America that are killed? Does anyone know those statistics?? It happens in every country. It is not the people of Aruba who did this.. it was one or a few people.. or NONE at all..,. perhaps she just hopped a boat and ran off. It has happened before!!

If anyone wants to email me.. just add another s on to the end of my email address.. at hotmail.com

Surprise! I turn on Fox News to get an update on the 7 Russian Sailors that were trapped under water in the submarine. Nothing on about them.. not even on the news ticker at the bottom of the screen.

But OF COURSE, Beth Twitty is on.. surprise, it's a full blown media frenzy with her as the star. She's really plugging this 'sex-slave' theory now. I honestly think someone needs to get this woman some help. She now says she has come across another young woman who says she met Joran and he used the same 'predator-type' M.O. Oh my god, are you serious? The private investigator says that Beth just happened to run across this young woman. Apparently the young woman was in Aruba in April on vacation..and has just returned back again Aruba. This has to be the biggest load of crap. These people who are coming forward want part of that reward money.. just as the person who says they saw the boys dumping a body of a blonde female in the dump.. They're obvisouly nut cases who want in on this story.. and they're hoping to make a few bucks out of it. Either way, they should charge this person.... if they find something in the dump - they need to be charged for not coming forward sooner.. If they don't find anything, they should be charged for giving false statements.

Why have we never seen the actual people that saw her get into the car with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers that night.. why have they never been interviewed on Fox News. Fox News just interviewed 3 of her friend that were in Aruba with her..they said that they all travelled in taxis together around the island. That no one ever travelled alone?? Then why was Natalee alone that night? It doesn't set well. perhaps someone who went to Aruba with the group had something to do with her disappearance?

The only one we've seen pointing fingers this entire time has been Beth & Jug Twitty.

It seems to me that some of you don't have kids because if it was your child and the case was being handled the same way it is being handle now, YOU WOULD ACT A DAMN FOOL!!!!!!

Tee - It has nothing to do with 'us' having kids or not. However, it's nice that you agree Beth and Jug Titty are acting like damn fools.. like I said earlier.., perhaps the Aruban Police could have done their job properly in the beginning had Beth & Jug Twitty not been all up into the investigation less than 40 hours after her disappearance! They hindered the search for evidence from the very beginning.

Frankly most people are tired of the stupid politics they cannot even tough. This case touches people. These people are real. If those Vansersloots were so "high and mighty" why did they live in a house that would be in slum neighborhoods up here. Their grass looks like crap. The whole thing reeks of debasement.

What is the matter with the trading theory? That is mos likely what happened if they cannot find her. Human beings are a precious commodity. That half-moon cey down there is eat up with drug dealers, gamblers, terrorists, and imported workers who are imported everyday to serve those the ones inhibiting that place. The carribs there are dangerous to other workers, or so it seems. They practice all kinds of santeria and voodoo and trade anything that they can make a buck off of. Remember our laws and economy is different here. We are more centralized and civilized. Those people answer to no one except who has the most money and biggest guns.

As for Beth and Jug. What would you do if your mother or father was taken away from you like that? I doubt you have a spouse, especially kids. They are not ACTING like anything. They are hurt to the core. Of course some people have no ability to sympathize or empathize. "The kindess of the wicked is cruel at best."

Someone better listen to the US. We are tired of being everyone's butt wipe. If you think we are bad where you can see us, you better hope we never decide to be a terror undercover ourselves. Poison piss ants had better think twice before crawling up the but of an elephant.

Just because you think WE"RE so pretty.
Just because you think WE're so hot
Does not give you the reason
To treat the US like we're not.
You caused us to spend a lot of money,
And laughed and called US old Satan Claus
Well I'm telling you, when we ARE through with you
You'll be feeling like a full tub of SNOT.

To say hurting parents are "acting like fools" give me the impression you have the tact of a rabid dingo......blue

Rice, you must look like what you sound to be jealous of somone in so pitiful a position as those Twittys and Holloways.

Can anyone get it into their thick heads that the girl's MO was succes, not destruction. She was packed and ready to go home. They knew this because they probably were in and out of her room with the help of those at the HI. That girl was tweaked before she went outside. This was probably planned before she ever hit Aruba. She was probably checking out things of the I-net before she went down there. Those people just got in control of a piece of MS communications down there and are into it big time. There are people who are connected with those dutch isles that could buy the country. There are kings, princes of different nations that ride around on ships and gamble. They are in a world we could never relate to because that whole island lives in fear. They are in fear of the gov., the gov. associates, the carribs., the drug lords, and their pitiful reputation to get their money to scrape by, their jobs, and in fear of dying. We do not know, nor have we seen, nor can we imagine the debauchery that exists in the lands of money like is down in some of those places.

I guess I will go. I feel like I'm talking to me.

Blue - with all due respect, you sound like you're heavily medicated.

I can't believe that Beth Twitty went to the internet cafe where Deepak Kalpoe works and sat in there for 90 minutes questioning him. Apparently she was eating somewhere around there and just decided to go in. I seriously doubt it went down that way. I feel certain she set out to go there.. and did just that. It's time the aruban police arrest her for stalking the Kalpoe brothers. What she is doing is interferring with the investigation.

It's about time someone stood up to Beth Twitty - regardless of if the Kalpoe brothers were involved or not. The fact is.. they have been released. Beth Twitty does not have the right to basically stalk them.. no matter what.. The internet cafe is a public place - but she's not going to there to surf the net... she's basically harrassing this boy/man. Everyone is complaining that the investigation isn't going the way it would if it were done in America... well if Beth Twitty had acted the way she has down in Aruba in the states - she would have been in jail a long time ago. You can't just go up to a suspect/their home/their job etc. You just can't do it, it's called harrassment and stalking.

I'm happy to see Fox News is coming around and FINALLY reporting both sides of the story! There is a chance these guys had nothing to do with her disappearance.. it's a possibility.. and it's about time the Aruban government/police force and it's people stand up to the Twitty family.

The Twitty family want all Americans and other tourist to punish an entire country because of what has happened or hasn't happened to her daughter.. and that is wrong. What about all the tourists that die in America? Would it be fair to the towns and businesses that depend on international tourism, if those tourists decided to punish them because a tourist disappeared on vacation?

The government of Aruba could care less about
this case. They are protecting certain people on
the island, and will do whatever they can not to
solve this case. This is a situation, where bad
is good. No matter what we do, nothing is ever
going to be done. Their hearts and minds are
stone cold; and their spirits
are dead and in hell already.

Mary - that is utter crap.. I'm sure that solving this case if the one thing they(The Aruban Government) want the police to do... they know if they solve the case that crazy Beth & her mob will leave their tiny island.

The Aruban Government is not who is handling this case - that is what the POLICE are for.

The last sentence of your post shows you're as insane as Beth Twitty.

I hope and pray for all who are involved. To lose any human being is a tragedy, and for a family to have no closure what so ever is heart renching. To those of you who are bashing the family members who in your opinion may be damaging this investigation, just keep one thing in mind... you never know how you will react in a situation until you or someone you love is the victim.

Cat - I do know that I would NEVER interfere in a police investigation if myself or a loved one was ever a victim. I would stay clear and let the police to their job.

I'm not bashing the Twitty family - I have merely stated that they hindered the investigation from the very early beginning by going to the Van Der Sloot home with a mob of people from Alabama less than 48 hours after Natalee's disappearance.

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M & Rice,

First off, Rice - You're a moron. Yeah, have a memorial service for someone when you're not 100% sure if the person is deceased or not (and only been missing for a little over 2 months). You're a real genius.

M - I'm starting to think that maybe you've slept with little Van Der Sloot as well. Just kidding. All you do is take up for him and his buddies and bash the Twitty family. You said you're not bashing them one post after you called Beth insane. Oh, is that a compliment in your family? You try to sound intelligent but you're a hippocrite as well. I just proved it to you.

You need to become more aware of the law and of how to analyze a situation. You keep talking about letting the police do their job. Read the text below and you can see what a great job they do when allowed. Even VDS's mother knows how to investigate a case better than these guys. She knows it's pathetic. And Beth didn't get in their way at all in this instance because she doesn't control who police question or keep. Here you go:
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

VAN SUSTEREN: Including your son?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Including my son, yes. He should have been held. He should have been interrogated from the beginning on. What did you do? Where did you go? Is there anyone you have seen there? But they let the kids go. And he went on with his exams, and he was a normal teenager. He was under pressure. He knew that things were wrong, but — and the girl was missing. But he repeated, She will appear somewhere. And if she does, I'll kick her butt in front of her mom because she brought all of us in trouble. That's what he repeated several times.

Some other things. Beth had every right to go to that cafe. It's a public place and she simply asked the kid questions. There were no threats, etc. She wasn't stalking the boy. Stalking is a continuous thing which happens over and over. This is one incident. By the way, no restraining order was issued by a judge so she cannot and should not be arrested like you say. The same would hold true in America. If there was a restraining order that would be different. She can go to their house, job, public places, etc. as long as there is no legal restraints against her. Take a course in Law 1001.

Also, you talk about all these people that should be possibly arrested if there statements are false. You failed to mention the Kalpoe brothers. They told the biggest lie and claimed that they dropped her off at her hotel. Hmmmm...I wonder why? Then, the boys claimed they saw a black man approach her as she tripped. It was all a lie. Why aren't they in jail? Why isn't the guy with the boat who lied in jail? It's obstruction of justice. Those are the worst lies. However, I have read that there is no "obstruction of justice" in Aruban Law. I wish there was, but apparently there isn't. So, none of the people you spoke of could be arrested for incorrect statements.

Oh yeah, and wasn't it grand how those two innocent black fellows were arrested without any evidence whatsoever. Yes, thanks to lies told by the three amigos, cops arrested and held these guys. Beth Holloway pleaded for them to be released through the media because she thought they were 100% innocent. A day later, they were released. She is AHEAD of the cops over there. She doesn't seem so insane to me. If she is, the cops are too because they followed her lead. She was right because the boys then changed their story again (lied again). It's funny how they had no problems arresting two black guys with no evidence while the Kalpoe brothers are free with more evidence against them. Yes, Beth should leave the cops alone so they can continue to do the great job they've done in those aspects.

Hopefully, you can come around and see the whole picture here. Peace.

I have eliminated Barney1957's comments, as they were laced with racially offensive invectives. Comments of that sort are not welcome here. Period.

The question remains from Day One in the NH disappearance: why did the 3 lie about returning NH to the Holiday Inn, seeing her trip and hurt her head, and be helped into the hotel by the 2 security guards?